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* Firstly, the team explored Zulip''s features, including its repository of shared media, pinned messages, semantic search, and guidance on stream topics for better organization and easier access.
* The suggestion to increase the number of meetings was also proposed to improve teamwork and decision-making.
* The team emphasized the importance of syncing information with project management tools and establishing meeting guidelines and etiquette.
* They discussed the use of AI to summarize messages, decoupling data and UI parts of Zulip, and using tools for their intended purpose.
* The implementation of an intranet was also discussed, including a monadic idea and the use of pinned topics within streams.
* The team discussed the possibility of creating a hack to append messages and the use of search.manatical.com as an index for public messages.
* The upcoming ingestion of reflector message transcripts and the potential for natural language format in the knowledge base were also mentioned.
* The speaker discussed the possibility of a feature in development for automatic meeting summaries based on Reflector and requested confirmation from the team.
* The team discussed the implementation of a feature that displays a summary of a conversation at the end of a transcript when on the monadical.com domain.
* They also discussed the implementation of a technical solution to automate the posting of meeting notes in a stream for easy testing and low-effort manpower.
* The team acknowledged the challenges of going above and beyond in a workplace with high barriers to action and low motivation for extra tasks.
* They emphasized the importance of rapid prototyping to test and validate ideas before investing significant time and resources.
* The estimated engineering effort for several high priority tasks in a Zulip community was also discussed.
* The speaker discussed the difficulties in contributing to Zulip, including the heavy-handed PR process and the high bar for contribution.
* They also mentioned the possibility of forking the platform as a step beyond maintaining their own version.
* The team discussed the advantages of contributing to open source projects instead of forking them, including the support of the open source community and lower maintenance burden.
* The team allowed users to pin topics in streams to keep them at the top of the conversation.
* They discussed ways to increase engagement and fun on Zulip, comparing it to Recurse Center and identifying attributes that make it enjoyable.
* The company discussed ways to make Zoom more fun during a retreat in Mexico City.
* One popular suggestion was a kudos stream, where users could earn and trade virtual hearts for rewards or give them to others for recognition.
* The founder acknowledged the lack of utilization of the check-in stream and agreed to make an effort to use it more, but suggested keeping the suggestion vague for now.
* Andy and
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Like sometimes you don''t know what to ask even if we had an amazing AI model. I don''t necessarily know what to ask, to look for, for a context for a certain thing, you know. So discoverability is definitely. a tough nut to crack, right? Like, I have a hard time. 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Yeah. Tim Abbott has, uh, that clearly fleshed out exactly what he thinks that should be, right? So. Do you have a relationship with him, like could you help get things along? If need be, okay, that helps sometimes. Yeah. And they even sent us a potential lead once upon a time. Okay. Browser extensions for everything. 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So that everybody kind of understanding that a decision was made, you know what I mean, within the team or whatever. sound like there was some breakdown of communication if you''re starting to work on something that''s not even the thing that you know is relevant. or whatever. So I think that''s worth thinking about. Um, okay, decouple the UI parts of Zulip and... This is more like the internet idea. I think that was the point I was trying to get at. Okay, well let''s... Well, let''s let''s skip it then for now, because I would like to end this meeting. at some point today, um, create a stream that is frozen. 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So that like receiving and sending of information are are integrated into the same user experience. And that they use, like, I think that, you know, Zulip''s threaded conversation model. nudges people towards being more... creating documentation as they go, right? It''s a little, a little bit, right? And the more, coming up with. good UXs, I think, pushes people towards patterns of of behavior that are more amenable to knowledge sharing. All that being. I said, yeah, we''re far from it. I do think that language models might unlock a few users. or experiences that aren''t possible right now. 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So it''s like. Oh, I want to do a meeting. You do add to be meeting. And then you say, here are the five options. for times people can vote on it like stuff like that where it''s it''s not changing the interface. But it''s giving people an easy way to have like a prescribed path for their intended, like, whatever they''re trying to get done. 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So anything. where you''re like everybody''s gonna have to do this this way it''s like nobody''s gonna do it unless they''re really really convinced that it''s good or it''s like so easy that it''s trivial and even then they won''t do it trivial they won''t do it unless they think they are convinced that it''s like really good, you know. And even if they''re convinced it''s really good and it''s trivially easy, they still probably won''t do it. That''s like half, half of you''ll get like 50% penetration. into the user penetration like that that''s how hard the bar that''s so that''s why It has to be like a natural thing that happens from stuff that they have to do anyway, right? 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